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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Twilight = terrible book? Reply with quote

So apparently, most online reviews of the book say it's a pretty crappy book. I have not read these reviews, but a co-worker has in trying to figure out whether of not they would like the book or not. It just so happens that today someone brought Twilight to work (they're in the 2nd chapter) and let that first person read it.
In the first chapter, they found so many mistakes. I mean, bad writing and bad editing. They were laughing at the book most of the time they were reading it. They noted that the writing style actually isn't that amazing, for a new-york-times-bestselling, being-made-into-a-movie, huge-fan-base book.

So ... discuss. Is Twilight actually a good book? Or is it more the fact that the ideas are great?



*I do not actually think Twilight is a terrible book.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not terrible, but it does have bad grammar, bad editing, mediocre writing, etc. The plot is weak and the characters lack dimensions. It's bad though (in my opinion). Definitely not the sort of book that deserves to be NYT Bestseller.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the worst book I've ever read, but it definitely fell flat for me, despite the interesting mythology. If the plot and some of the characters were better fleshed out, then there's a chance I would've liked it. I'm not questioning its bestseller status, since any mediocre book can get that way with enough sales; it's how Twilight managed to become a phenomenon that's perplexing.

But I feel like I've mentioned my opinion about this book plenty enough times here and will end this post right now. Heh.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Heather! I like your comments about Twilight. You usually make sense (usually!) and have reasons and.. well. Yeh this sentence isn't really working. Hehe.

I think everybody on here agrees that it really ain't that great of a book and can't understand the phenomena it has become.

On another note, my friend and I were discussing the trailers the other day. We were laughing at how disappointed we're hoping the fangirls will be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Lil, I'm glad YOU like my comments about Twilight. I recently checked up on Beside the Norm (ahh, I need to update **bad**) and saw that people commented on my Twilight review -- most of whom think I'm crazy to not like the book. "Fucking insane," actually, to quote one of the comments. Wow, I feel loved. Rolling Eyes

Maybe I should invest in a taser. I can only imagine how a rabid Twilight fangirl would react to me in person, haha.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarsGirl wrote:
Well, Lil, I'm glad YOU like my comments about Twilight. I recently checked up on Beside the Norm (ahh, I need to update **bad**) and saw that people commented on my Twilight review -- most of whom think I'm crazy to not like the book. "Fucking insane," actually, to quote one of the comments. Wow, I feel loved. Rolling Eyes

Maybe I should invest in a taser. I can only imagine how a rabid Twilight fangirl would react to me in person, haha.

I just read your review and the responses, and I would be afraid for you. That girl seems INSANE honestly. "twilight is AMAZING. its not an opinion, its a fact. you're the first person i've heard of who hasnt liked the book. the feeling you get when edward and bella are together.... Its amamzing."
HAHA.
*cough* a little pathetic and creepy.

The people I work with who are reading it have all gotten sucked in. One girl almost hates herself for it, since she thinks the book is pretty crappy but she feels like she has to read the rest now. Maybe the reason Twilight fans are so rabid about liking the book is that they have to convince themsevles that it is the best book ever, and that there is no other opinion abou the book,
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lil wrote:
On another note, my friend and I were discussing the trailers the other day. We were laughing at how disappointed we're hoping the fangirls will be.


Come on, what's wrong with being an obsessed fangirl? There is NOTHING wrong with Twilight!!!! *gathers angry mob or fangirls to come eat you*

Of course, I'm even more obsessed with Midnighters...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's a difference between being a fan who is obsessed, and being obsessed for...reasons you can't even define.

plus, this board is the official committee for the Fan Girl Mafia.

we ARE the angry mob, haha.

I don't think Twilight is a bad book. While some of the narration could use work, I adore Stephenie's dialogue, which is what usually makes me like a story anyways. We don't hear people's thoughts in real life, we hear what they say and that's what makes them real.
Maybe that's why Edward is so popular. He says all the things we wish a real guy would say.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

feellikethenight wrote:
He says all the things we wish a real guy would say.


Yeah, he says things we all wish a real guy would say.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please remember that this particular topic isn't about Edward Gushing.

Some like him some love him and some people just wish he didn't exist. This topic is about how good this book actually is.

Everyone is allowed to put in their opinions as to how they feel about this topic but please state why you think that way.

(Helyn-la please read the pm I sent you)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helyn-la wrote:
feellikethenight wrote:
He says all the things we wish a real guy would say.


Actually, he says things we all wish a real guy would say.


...That's exactly what Ash said? I'm probably missing something... but anyway.

Never understood why people liked Stephenie's dialogue - it was so fake and... archaic. Bella speaks like someone double her age. For example, the "you're very lucky" line she uses when Edward tells her about his adoptive family. What kind of kid at the age of eighteen would say that to a fellow teen? It sounds conscending.

Not particularly interested in Edward's "you're my moon, my sun, my stars, the rose amongst the thorns, the forbidden fruit..." dialogue either.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yeh I don't get what Helyn-la is saying either.

The entire point to Bella, apart from the fact that she's an 'ordinary girl', is that she is incredibly mature for her age. She was always the mum and Renee was like the teenager. Meyer emphasized that from the start, so I didn't really mind Bella's dialogue that much.

Some of Edward's mushy fluff was okay, or nice, but.. It just went for too long. And I am not that keen on mushy fluff, myself. I think the dialogue in Twilight wasn't that bad, actually. Probably because it was the introduction to the series.. It was the first, so nothing really felt that repetitive yet. It all felt new, interesting and exciting.

Some of her later work, on the other hand...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bella's dialogue never bothered me, mainly because I knew plenty of teenagers that spoke that way before reading Twilight...many of whom were in my AP Language Arts classes. I always felt like an idiot when I opened my mouth and spoke all Heathery around them.

Edward's dialogue, however...let's just say I can't even count how many times I rolled my eyes every time he said something, haha.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry... I got confused. I edited so it makes more sense. I probobly shouldn't post when I'm tired.

I read your PM, Suz. Thanks for telling me you sent me something. I kinda forgot about those.

On to buisness::
Edward's way of talking makes more sense if you remember the fact that he's 107 years old. It's kind of a combination of old fashioned-ness, 107 years of expirience, and being a vampire [being able to think it over really quickly.]

Am I making sense this time?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this might be an appropriate thread to post this...

Stephen King disses Stephenie Meyer's writing: http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b82390_Smackdown_of_the_Week__Stephen_King_vs___lt_i_gt_Twilight_lt__i_gt__s_Stephenie_Meyer.html

I thought it was interesting how he said this, after bashing her writing skills:

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"People are attracted by the stories, by the pace and in the case of Stephenie Meyer, it's very clear that she's writing to a whole generation of girls and opening up kind of a safe joining of love and sex in those books. It's very exciting and it's thrilling and it's not particularly threatening because they're not overtly sexual.

"A lot of the physical side of it is conveyed in things like the vampire will touch her forearm or run a hand over skin, and she just flushes all hot and cold. And for girls, that's a shorthand for all the feelings that they're not ready to deal with yet."


This makes some sense to me. Her writing does have an innocence a lot of other books, shows, and movies don't have nowadays, so I can see how that'd draw in readers.

And even though this isn't releated to SM at all, I was most amused by his comment about Dean Koontz's books. So spot on, haha.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the way he demotes women and girls to the "inferior" status of romance-crazed, almost mindless fans. It irks me. But he is right about Stephenie's writing skills (and Kootz's. hahahaha).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh, I remember a time when no one knew about Stephenie Meyer. Now, it seems like she has become the Scarlett Johanssen of literature. Everybody's talking about her.

EDIT: And that comment about James Patterson is SO, SO true.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's definitely not the greatest work of literature .. but it's not as bad as horrible chick lit.
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