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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's sort of a very typical case of the book club author. But I actually think her novels can be very good (we already have plenty of evidence) when she doesn't write to fill a quota. My Sister's Keeper is her at her best. Some of her other books aren't AS good, but they're certainly very readable and written well.

Change of Heart seems to have been written as a filler book. Simply something to make money of. I'm not cutting it down, but the book doesn't end up going anywhere. It's just a typical Jodi book, without the extra something that makes some of her better books so good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started reading The Memory Keeper's Daughter just before the summer holidays (ie around November for you North America folk) but I never got to finish it. My mum took it down the beach with her then returned it to my aunty (whom she borrowed it off) before I got a chance.

I only got about 50 pages or so in.. But I was liking it. Nothing major, but I did like it. After that review, Ammy... I am definately going to have to borrow it from my aunty again.

Ahhh... Izzy and Heather! You must read alllll of The Dreaming!
I need to discuss! But I don't want to ruin it. Hehe.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am now reading Battle Royale (didn't you mention that sometime before on another thread Ash? I dont remember)
Either way its wonderful!
The summary is this:

In his violent, controversial first novel, Koushun Takami takes us to the Republic of Greater East Asia, a contemporary, fictional, essentially fascist empire that includes Japan and China, but not Korea. Among the stranger forms of abuse under this oppressive regime is the Program, a compulsory game that pits a group of teenagers against one another until there is only one survivor. Ostensibly begun as a sort of tactical experiment, every year the Program destroys 50 junior high school classes of 15-year-olds for no clear purpose. This is the story of one of those classes. 42 students, 21 male, 21 female, are given weapons and confined to an island. There, they must kill each other until there is one winner, or all perish should they refuse.

I am only a little way into the book and so far:
It's unexpected, the totalitarian people running the island have a lot of things worked out to make it hard to NOT kill someone, and the character are all so diverse (which is pretty awesome for the author to pull off given there are so fucking many characters @.@)

And I am currently trying to think of 21 guys and 21 girls of either fandom via. books, video games, movies, etc that I can put in a situation like this
And see who comes out alive, lol
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never read the book (my friend refuses to borrow it to me saying I will never get it back)...but I love the movie. Let me know how this goes so maybe I'll either force him, or buy it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well when I went to Hastings the other day to return my copy of BD, I had that extra money
And I was over in the SciFi section and there it was on the bottom shelf
The cover drew me in and I remembered you saying something about it (if I am remembering that correctly) and fell in love with the idea
After getting through the first two sudden deaths (that first one was completely unexpected, I thought that character was going to make it towards the end)
And the whole world is really thought out
I am completely in the dark to who the winner will be
And I am careful not to go to any sites that might spoil me
And I won't watch the movie until I am done, lol

On a side note:
Trying to put random characters that are badass in a situation like this is too hard (mostly cause I can think of 42 @.@)
But...we have enough characters in our RPGS if we add RTv2 and TRPG2
That would be an insane fanfic
And the determining factor would have to be a heads/tails generator online or something
Cause nobody wants their charries to die of course
But if the life or death was up to chance...the results would be insane @.@
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, wow. I love this concept already! That sounds so awesome.
And now you've got me thinking about what would happen if we stuck our charries in a situation like this. I'm feeling strangely excited at the thought of it.

What kind of tone does the book have? Like... how does everything play out? Is there just the island, and lots of people killing each other? Eh, I don't make much sense now, but how does it all happen?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhh my gosh I want this book now. NOW! EEEEK!

We should DEFINITELY stick our charries on some island where they gotta kill each other. Can we? Can we? Can we? PLEASE?!

It would be freaking hilarious! Especially if it was all up to chance.. I mean, the majority of our characters are either completely badass or completely not-really-human. Thus, it really would have to be up to chance for any of 'em to die. Except maybe Pete. He wouldn't survive. ... Imagine if he won. OHMYGOSH!

Okay, I am getting WAY too excited over this. Thanks a lot, Meg!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ahhh... Izzy and Heather! You must read alllll of The Dreaming!
I need to discuss! But I don't want to ruin it. Hehe.


The Dreaming is so awesome. Horror manga that's actually classily done, I was so freaked while reading books one and two. (The only other horror manga I would recommend is School Zone).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Ammy:
The book is written from several characters POVs
Some last long, and some are only long enough so that you can get their own death from their POV
Its a constant guessing game, and its detailed and gory and wonderful^.^

=-=-=-=-=

Ah! Well now that I know that I am not the only one excited about putting our characters into a Battle Royale scenario I can unleash what I have been working on for the past few days XD
*is a crazy obsessed dork*

So I dont know Tv2 that well, but I found all the werewolves and vampires that I could and put them on the 'list' of the characters
I also took all the vampires and badass humans from RTv2 and put them on the 'list' as well

So the list looks something like this:
(in our world there are only 30 players, not 42, but we rock so its alright)


The Girls

1. Kail
2. Zara
3. Syd
4. Pix
5. Jace
6. Lindsay
7. Ammy
8. Cable
9. Izzy
10. Adelaide
11. Nicola
12. Lane
13. Azreal
14. Maggie
15. Alexa

The Boys

1. Vury
2. Kane
3. Laryx
4. Kevin (tech-head)
5. Chia
6. Thoran
7. Drew
8. Gaspard
9. Alec
10. Garrick
11. Ciro
12. Amaro
13. Logan
14. Kevin (vampire)
15. Nikolas


Now I have doodled all kinds of notes in my sketchbook (since I am really excited about this idea as well XD)

I have re-designed the collars that the characters would have on
The collars, in the book, are to keep track of the vital signs and tracks their positions on the island
But I added a twist that you all can either dismiss or squee about

I paired all of the characters up at random
So they all wake up with another character
Some know each other, some do not (some aren't even in the same game, Tv2 and RTv2 mixed up and crazy-like, lmao)
And the twist on the collars is that they connect the two random people's life-vitals
Basically: If one dies, so does the other

But this is only temporary, until at least 5 teams die
10 people
When 20 are left, then the vital-connection is dropped and its every man for himself

Couples will be turned against each other
Werewolves and vampires fighting to the death
And humans will be the only ones with weapons to paralyze supernatural abilities - to make it an even fight for them

Yes / No / Maybe?

(ps. I also have a site that rolls a virtual dice so that we can see who will die and who will live. Evens you live. Odds you die. Something like that. That can be used for sticky situations ^-^)

BattleSA, bwahahhaa!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only got to see this now! And I've already posted crazy stuff on the BattleSA thread! haha. But I'll reply to this... here. I think.

First off, Meg, this idea makes me feel ridiculously excited. I think we should at least try this idea to see if it works. We can always find a way to make it work if it doesn't, anyway, because we're awesome.

I'm thinking that if we DID do this, Ash would have a horrible time with her charries. hahaha. They practically populate half the RPGs, haha.
I'm also thinking that I love the twist with the collars.

But we also have to figure out the problem of who would die in each confrontation. Nobody would want to kill their own characters, except maybe Ash, who could almost whore them out. hahaha.
So would we have an amicable decision in each case as to who wins? Or do we randomly choose a winner (through the coin or die thrower at www.random.org or something) and then play out that fight, keeping in mind the character who must win?
If we choose the first way, people are going to be swayed by the likeability of the character, whether this is the last living character for an SAer, etc. Anything with human involvement tends to be like that.

If it were random (and here I will elaborate on the idea I mentioned on the other thread; it's been churning in my head all day):
We could use the Random Sequence Generator to get a list of numbers from 1 to 30 in a random order, and then go through the list alphabetically or something, and give the charries their corresponding number.
And THEN, we'd use the Random Number Generator to get 2 numbers between 1 and 30. Then the charries with these numbers are up to fight. Once one dies, the total number of participants is down to 29. So we reassign numbers to them again, and randomly pick two numbers for another fight. It wouldn't take long at all.

heh, I hope we end up actually doing this. Because the awesomeness of that would be beyond belief. And! It might even make SA crazy with posts, like we always do when we "launch" a new RPG.
Except this one would be short, fast, and very much to the point. i.e. He dies, she dies, they die.

(p.s. Have I mentioned how much this idea reminds me of Contest by Matthew Reilly? That was actually the book from which I got the inspiration for the Diego Library scene. In it, around 10 participants from different planets - okay, this might sound stupid now, but its pretty darn good - get lifted from their homes and thrown in a library, bound there by some sort of magnetic/gravitational field and a sensitive device strapped to them. I don't really remember the details now, but the premise was that 10 or so went in, and only one could come out.)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contest bored me. He's a horrible writer and I don't see why people - who are trying to act all diverse - claim they read him for the "action" factor. Whatever. Stick to Chris Ryan if you want the action factor, Reilly has nada talent.

Anyway, Meg - yup, this could be good... I just think there are way too many people. Couldn't we try twenty instead of thirty? Personally, I don't think Cable needs to be in this game...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Ammy: I am glad to see somone just as excited as I am about this XD
I will have to check out 'Contest'
The only thing that I see going wrong with using the Random Number thing would be the fact that unless its available for everyone to see, someone might lie to keep their character alive? :/
Like, when you do a meme and don't like the results so you keep refreshing the page? lol
I think that we should work through the first 10 deaths ourselves
i.e. we discuss on the info thread what would happen, etc
And once those are killed off we could try to work out the deaths from that point on
Basically everyone might have to choose one of their characters that they want alive (just one) and then focus on that one and sacrifice the others
Then once we have a smaller number and it gets tougher and tougher then we need to use the Number thing

But there was an idea that I was cooking up with the survival rate
I made a list of the characters and what they would have to offer
(I know, I know, I'm a nerd XD)
And when it came to Kevin (my Kevin the tech-head)
I thought of things that he might be able to mess with that would help him stay alive
And I came up with only one thing
The collars
What if Kevin could make it possible for the collars to come off, that way they wouldn't have to die and there didn't have to be just one?

The trouble with this would be that too many people would want it off
But how many characters would actually ask/believe him?
And how many characters would Kevin really want to save?
If you had a power like that you would be in control of so many lives, but if you scorned one person they could just as easily kill you
It's a slippery slope
We could work with it
And there is always the fact that he could only figure it out after fiddling with a dead body (cause if they mess with their own, they die)
But once he looks at it, he understands the set up and could take it off (even though the wearer might have to sacrifice a gallon or so of blood, lmao)
Point is: He would only figure this out near the middle of the game once people have already died

@Izzy: I think 30 is good because 20 is too little
Plus the connection thing with the collars will take out 10 people with only 5 real deaths
So yeah ^-^
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, in the movie (I dunno about the book) tampering with the collars meant explosion? Which makes trying to get them off even more dangerous.

I am itching to tell you what happens in the movie, but in case its what happens in the book, I don't want to tell you.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it means explosion

but dun tell me what happens in the movie
i still have no clue who wins @.@
so far 27 students are left
i will try to hurry up and read the rest of it if i can
^.^
so we can talk about it
bwahahha
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Izzy_The_Goddess wrote:
Contest bored me. He's a horrible writer and I don't see why people - who are trying to act all diverse - claim they read him for the "action" factor. Whatever. Stick to Chris Ryan if you want the action factor, Reilly has nada talent.

Anyway, Meg - yup, this could be good... I just think there are way too many people. Couldn't we try twenty instead of thirty? Personally, I don't think Cable needs to be in this game...


I don't know about acting "diverse" (what is that even supposed to mean? haha), but I do know that all Matthew Reilly has to offer is a good action book.
And why should we only read one author if we want action? That's like saying we should only read Nora Roberts for romance, Scott Westerfeld for YA, Frank Herbert for science fiction, etc. Different authors have different styles and a variety of stories.


@ Meg - I'd hate to think that someone would cheat, but you might be right. In that case, I think we should use the random sequence/number thing to work out who fights who. That way the most random couples could be thrown together, and we could figure out an outcome for the match ourselves.

That Kevin idea adds so many more layers to this game. I think it would add our own style to the game (SA character powers!) and change the turn of events in this scenario in unpredictable ways. I like it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammy wrote:
Izzy_The_Goddess wrote:
Contest bored me. He's a horrible writer and I don't see why people - who are trying to act all diverse - claim they read him for the "action" factor. Whatever. Stick to Chris Ryan if you want the action factor, Reilly has nada talent.

Anyway, Meg - yup, this could be good... I just think there are way too many people. Couldn't we try twenty instead of thirty? Personally, I don't think Cable needs to be in this game...


I don't know about acting "diverse" (what is that even supposed to mean? haha), but I do know that all Matthew Reilly has to offer is a good action book.
And why should we only read one author if we want action? That's like saying we should only read Nora Roberts for romance, Scott Westerfeld for YA, Frank Herbert for science fiction, etc. Different authors have different styles and a variety of stories.


I never said just stick to Chris Ryan, but he knows way more than Matthew Reilly. He writes about things that have actually happened to him and actually come across as gritty, whilst Matthew has such a vacuuous writing style and annoys me from page one to the finish. Sure, Seven Ancient Wonders is him at his worst, I guess Area 7 was okay. Scarecrow and Contest were horrible.

He has no character development... does anyone even care for his lame characters? I mean, Jack West is James Bond minus a brain and Princess Zoey has beauty and very little else. I'm sick of his boring descriptions of her! "Princess Zoey was tight and smart and fit!" (that's a rough example of what it was).
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Vacuous? Truly? I see the book taking off at Point A and after a series of twists and turns, ending at Point B. With quite of content, I'd say. But it's an action book, Izzy. You can't expect it be overly sentimental with characters pausing in the midst of a fight to reflect upon life. Matthew Reilly writes light entertainment. He's said it many times. Call it what you may, but you can't attack it for being "vacuous".

Yes, Chris Ryans has personal experience, and this might lend authencity to his novels, but that doesn't make him the foremost expert on writing action novels. Reilly does research before he writes.

I think the Jack West novels aren't as good as his previous books, and I do roll my eyes at the ridiculous names Lily gives them, but I accept that some people might like them.
That description of Zoe was nothing like the book, save for the "smart" part. But you calling her "tight" has turned me off these books forever. hahaha.
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Yes, Reilly obviously does his research. It just shows, doesn't it?

How the team are able to escape quickly via a Boeing 747 equipped with so many gadgets that it's probably too heavy to be airborne.

How Jack West is able to snap off a crocodile's head using his bare hands.

How the team are able to kidnap a terrorist from Guatanamo Bay without anyone realising.

How Wizard (Epper, whatever his name is) and West are able to run away with a newly born kid from a volcano at the brink of explosion.

Now, I realise action books have to have that tint of surrealism but Reilly far surpasses believability with thinly-veiled plots, one-dimensional characters and overall bad writing. Nobody uses as many commas, question marks, exclamation marks or italics as much as he does.

And the quote is in the book. He calls Zoe smart, beautiful and FIT!!!! and describes her tightly-fitting clothing.
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Ohhhhhmygosh I am so SQUEEING happy that people are on board with this Battle Royale thing! I'm super pumped.

I really hope this happens. I think it should!! Freak yeh!

I love the idea that Kevin tampers with the collars and finds out a way to take them off.

So, just a question... But if most of our charries wake up one day to find themselves on this island pitted against each other... Who put them there?

Is it.. us? Woah that is mind-crazy! Imagine if our characters were talking about us and bagging / hating on us coz they know we put them there.

Chia: "That fucking Meg, reading that stupid fucking book and making us reenact it, just to get some sort of sick pleasure out of watching us fucking die. JUST WAIT 'TIL I ESCAPE, YOU SICK FREAK!"

Adelaide: "Someone's a bit crazy now, aren't they? And you can't escape. You have the collar on. Yeh, thanks for that, Meg. Besides, Ash was the one who first mentioned Battle Royale anyway. Oh my, this is horrible. Can't we all just be friends and have a picnic?"

Cable: " 'Cable doesn't need to be in this game'? How DARE you say such a thing, Izzy! Ohh you'll be wishing you never helped make me such a big part in RT when I work out how to escape the realms of RPGs and hunt you DOWN to make you pay for saying such horrendous things! FEAR ME! MWAHAHAHA"

Vury: *eyebrows raised* Zara, you need to take some lessons of crazy from Cable.


.. Ohh this is way too much excitement.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know the funny thing is that I actually HAD thought that it would be us that put them there XD
Lil you make my life magical with your mind reading!
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Izzy_The_Goddess wrote:
Yes, Reilly obviously does his research. It just shows, doesn't it?

How the team are able to escape quickly via a Boeing 747 equipped with so many gadgets that it's probably too heavy to be airborne.

How Jack West is able to snap off a crocodile's head using his bare hands.

How the team are able to kidnap a terrorist from Guatanamo Bay without anyone realising.

How Wizard (Epper, whatever his name is) and West are able to run away with a newly born kid from a volcano at the brink of explosion.

Now, I realise action books have to have that tint of surrealism but Reilly far surpasses believability with thinly-veiled plots, one-dimensional characters and overall bad writing. Nobody uses as many commas, question marks, exclamation marks or italics as much as he does.

And the quote is in the book. He calls Zoe smart, beautiful and FIT!!!! and describes her tightly-fitting clothing.


Umm... what? Looks like someone's exaggerating a whole lot. I'm not even going to point out what was wrong with half the things you said because we're obviously not going to agree on this topic.

You think Matthew Reilly sucks. I don't. It's as simple as that. I can accept that you don't like his writing. Done.
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That's fine with me. Very Happy
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I'm currently reading Maximum Ride: The Final Warning, even though I swore I wouldn't. It's shit.
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Okay, so, The Final Warning? DO NOT READ IT. That's my warning. I swear to god, it is so shit and incredibly stupid that I am at a loss for words. It ruins the previous three books. If you're the kind of person who wants to see the Max Ride character and storyline completely crushed and attacked with a blowtorch before being reshaped into the words "CLIMET CHANJ IS BADD Oh my God", then go ahead and read it. I'm sure you'd enjoy it.

IT'S LIKE FREAKING AL GORE GHOSTWROTE THIS BOOK. The entire thing is about global warming. It's so preachy I had to put the book down a few times and try not to throw it across the room.

Oh, yeah, and Max's destiny to save the world? It's saving the world from global warming. I kid you not. Her mission ends up being to convince the government to use fluorescent lightbulbs and all that shiz. Seriously. Stupid. I've spent 4 out of 6 years in high school learning about climate change. I DON'T NEED A MAXIMUM RIDE BOOK, OF ALL THINGS, PREACHING TO ME ABOUT IT. I'll use as many freaking plastic bags as I want, thanks. Go to hell, you inconvenient truth. And yeah, I refuse to capitalise that and make it out to be Some Living Breathing Thing.

To end, I'll leave you with an excerpt from the book:
Scientist: You're here to save the world.
Max: From what?
Scientist: Global warming.
Max: *says something along the lines of "psh. who cares about that?" which is obviously intended to be running parallel to the thoughts of the average teenager who picks up this book, just ready for a lesson on global warming*
Scientist: *explains things in layman's terms because obviously the stupid kid reading this book wouldn't understand otherwise, and aren't we just doing a lovely job here of turning Maximum Ride into an ambassador for Planet Ark?*
Max: *says something which James Patterson thinks a kid would say when reacting to something like this*
Scientist: *continues explanation, this time shifting the blame on US, THE STUPID KIDS WHO DON'T USE WIND ENERGY!!!one11*
Max: *starts to realise global warming is a serious problem, at around the same time James Patterson hopes the average reader would begin thinking so*
Scientist: You need to help us.
Max: I will.
Fang: Alright! I have a new power.
Gasman: Alright! I have a new power!
Nudge: Alright! I have a new power!
Angel: Alright! I have a new power!
Iggy: Alright! I have a new power.
Max: I'm off to deliver a heart warming, inspirational, I'm-about-to-read-off-my-speech-cards-but-hey-I'm-suddenly-overcome-by-a-fit-of-passion-and-righteous-outrage-so-I'll-just-make-up-a-clever-speech-on-the-spot-which-would-ideally-move-you-to-tears-or-at-the-very-least-make-you-immediately-decide-to-throw-all-your-resources-at-battling-climate-change speech at the White House. Wish me luck!
Dr. Martinez: I'm so involved in being Max's mother that I fly all over the world to help her and the flock. Forget Ella, I've got a new family now!
Flock: YAY!
Voiceover: OH WHAT A FEELING... TOYOTA!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've spent 4-6 years of high school learning about global warning and you call it all an "inconvenient truth"? You're being sarcastic, right?

But yeah - this book sounds stupid. Max deserves a better "save the world" mission.
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I was referring to the sensationalised documentary, Izzy.

And in any case, I've spent 4 years learning about climate change - not just global warming. The latter is the only thing mentioned in this book.
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(Sorry. Embarassed )

Recently I've read...

Feeling Sorry For Celia by Jaclyn Moriarty
Pretty good, but it's the same quirky, JM book. I was expecting to really, really like Elizabeth (because everybody else seems to love her), but my favourite character turned out to be her kooky mum. Anyway, the book is good, but the plotting is predictable and it dwindles off towards the end. The really original style (the entire book consists of letter to and from Elizabeth) is fun.

Maus by Art Spiegelman.
This is AMAZING and incredibly moving. Based on interviews Art has with his dad, Vladek, Maus is based on Vladek's experience as a Jew during the Holocaust in Poland, and later on, Hungary (it's also interesting to see the difference between the Vladek during the war and Vladek after the war). The story is riveting and painfully emotional. My favourite character would have to be Art's mum, Anja; her story left me depressed and brooding.

After reading this book, you will most likely never be able to read another comic the same again. Anthrophomorphism is used as well (Jews are mice, Germans are cats, the Polish are depicted as pigs, the French as frogs). I read the entire comic with tears in my eyes, the part which touched me the most was actually a cartoon within the comic drawn by Art which shows how tormented and guilty he feels about his mother's death. My summary sucks, but really, Maus is incredible.
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I read Battle Royale, thanks to Meg.

God, I loved it. The style of it and the language and the idea and the story and... ah, if you get the chance, read it!!
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Um, I seem to have demolished Ophelia by Lisa Klein since 1am this morning. I haven't actually slept, you know... just read the book and dashed off to classes, only to start reading it again.

I don't what it is, but the book is completely and utterly ENGROSSING. I couldn't put it down. When I first read Hamlet, I always wanted to know more about Ophelia (sort of like the author, I guess) because, damn, she had potential. This book delivers in every way imaginable on that front! Ophelia is a fully realised character who is a whole lot more developed and even interesting than the Ophelia of the play.

And Hamlet is also a lot more admirable. If I were a squealing tween, I would probably have fallen in love with the Hamlet of the book (actually, it probably would have been the first description of him that would have done it: "witty, dark-haired Hamlet" so sigh-worthy). You do get to see his progression towards insanity in more detail and it's always great to see an imagined side of things (i.e. Ophelia's). Some major details of the play are mentioned afterwards, but hey, it's Ophelia's show so we just run with it. There's plenty of tying in with the play, which is good.

There's a huge point regarding Ophelia (*cough*herdeath*cough*) that is changed, and in my opinion, the story became a little less interesting after that, and Hamlet's exit from the scene, anyway. Who knows? Maybe I'm not such a big fan of Life In A Nunnery Presented By Ophelia. Oh, oops, I just gave a plot point away, so now it's revealed, I'll keep going, shall I? GET THEE TO A NUNNERY, HAMLET SAID. And she did. hahahahahahaha, brilliant.

Hmm, anyway, I recommend the book. It's a different tone and style to the original play (duh), but I liked it. And really, the Hamlet of the book is quite mesmerising. I kind of laughed at his craziness, though. Yeah. Oops. It's not supposed to happen, I assure you. It's not the author's fault.
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I ADORE that book
I read it a while back, and you are so right on every count
Which would make it unwise to repeat everything that you said

But I guess my perspective on the situation is that the nunnery scene was...needed
That way we get the sweet ending with Horatio ^.^
Who was better for Ophelia anyway
But the mucking about with nuns and plot from that point on seemed...un-needed?
They could just as easily fast forded right? lol

The subtle way that they handled the 'sex' was really nice for me
I have read some books set during that time period where it was just REALLY raunchy or some where you arent even sure what the hell happened (*cough*likeBreakingDawn*cough*)

I also really adored Ophelia in the play and wanted to know more about her
This was a great dip into her mind, and I loved how she faked insanity
So wonderful ^-^

So yeah, I love this book as well
*book hug*
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whats a book hug??
when 2 books hug each other
or
when you hug a book???
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Okay, so I can't really see clearly. I'm writing this post through tears. I just read The Sweet Far Thing and... god. fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. I can't stop crying. I'm so upset. I did not expect the ending to be the way that it was, and there's a part of me that wishes it were not so original. Shit. Dammit. I mean... if it's going to make me cry like a baby, then maybe it should have just been clichéd and happy. Because... the ending. Oh god. I don't know what to say. I probably sound incoherent. Or read incoherent. I can't think either. Why did this have to happen? Ahhhh, dammit. I should have known. The 5 acts and the stuff about Macbeth. Just... oh god.

When I try to think about it, I can see that it would have been near impossible to work anyway. There's the rules of society pushing in the way and then the fact that Gemma and Kartik are so different. Free will and destiny. It's so stupid. But it also isn't. Shit.

I think I should go. When I've gotten over the shock of it I probably won't be so upset but right now there just doesn't seem to be anything else. And I hate that Libba Bray wrote that specific last ending. It's all "hope la di da" but I don't want that. Dammit. Shit. Wow. I sound crazy. I also wish Kartik were real. It was kind of hard to accept the ending and Gemma's choice because it's going to lead her so far away from her past and she's going to be so hurt. But it's going to be better, in many ways.

Maybe later I will post some thoughts on the book that make sense but for the moment I'm kind of in limbo. The book did soften the blow of what happens a little by the many many endings it seems to have but I think it missed one loose thread. Or maybe it didn't and I just didn't read it properly because I was crying so hard. What happened to Pippa? Was she just... gone with the castle?

So... yes. Very good book. It's brilliant. I know I'll look back on it and say it had an excellent ending. But right now that thought barely seems to enter my thoughts. And I have an exam in an hour. Brilliant. I'll need to go get some cold spoons to de-puff my eyes now so it doesn't look like I've been crying for an obscene amount of time. Which I have. Oh god. For such a long book, it really does wait till the end to crush you. After building up hope all through it.
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I know how you feel. Sometimes I still get sad when I think about Kartik. The rules of society wouldn't have mattered. Maybe they would have gone back to India, or I could see Gemma getting the balls to defy it all. Take some advice from Felicity and just charge ahead and be stronger than the bounds presented to her.

I can't wait to hear what you're going to say when you're coherent.
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There’s so much I want to say about The Sweet Far Thing, and most of it is good; a little… something I don’t know. Not bad, but not great either. I’ve just about failed my exam because I was so miserable throughout it, but I couldn’t care less. All day, the only thing I can think of is “Why?” And it’s a good question, but a hard question.

I did what I wasn’t sure I’d be able to do this soon after reading the book. I read the culminating Tree of All Souls and the very last Kartik dream scene again. It might have been a stupid thing to do, because right now, I’m working so very hard to keep myself from crying. If I even think about the novel, I feel my eyes welling up with tears and then it’s back to forcing them down again, which is becoming this cycle I can’t get out of. And there’s lots of people around me right now, unlike when I first read the book, so I’m sure they’ll all think me mad as a hatter if I burst into tears.

I think… there is this notion that is quite common with novels that a certain character “needed” to die, or that their death was fitting, albeit immensely sad. And so many readers applaud it amidst their tears and go on about how “great the book is! I didn’t see it coming; it broke my heart. But I see now that it had to happen.” Those three words are practically all that separates these readers from the ones who become furious and upset and say they’d rather have a happy ending. So, with TSFT, I will say this: I was angry at first. For the rest of that chapter, I was angry. But it was anger due to loss. The Kübler-Ross model of the stages of grief were going haywire in my head. I didn’t quite believe it, and I had to read the last few pages again, because I couldn’t understand why Libba Bray would have done what she did. Anger didn’t really matter for me, then, because after that, I just couldn’t stop crying. If I’d known the floodworks would be this bad (or indeed, that they’d happen at all) I would have waited a little longer to finish the book.

So, what am I saying? I suppose it’s that Kartik didn’t need to die. It didn’t have to happen. Not in the way that Voldemort needed the die, or that Leslie Burke needed to die. In that way, this ending wasn’t exactly the right ending. You know that feeling you get when a novel is right? Things may not have worked out the way you wanted, but the novel is still beautiful, it’s still right? TSFT just misses that, but only because the ending isn’t exactly right. By “exactly right”, I don’t mean there is only one correct ending, so to speak, but more that it feels right, and you’re able to let go at the end of it all. TSFT gets so close, so very close, but it seems to miss by the smallest margin. And that’s alright. That’s fine, fantastic, even, because the book is still excellent. Very close still works. Yet there will always be that lingering feeling that something isn’t quite right. And my body, my mind, seem to be telling me that the reason lies in the way Kartik died. If he was always going to die, as Libba says, then maybe it shouldn’t have been in the way it did happen. And here’s where I’m going to sound trippy, as I try to explain my jumbled thoughts on this: You see, Kartik was never the magic. He was never the realms. He might have been linked closely to it but it just wasn’t… him. So the idea that his death will be in such a way that is fully linked to the realms is unsettling, odd, and maybe even wrong. We couldn’t have seen it coming, and sometimes it doesn’t make sense. I think this is why what happened to Kartik doesn’t feel right to me.

I know that in the book he says he’s waited his whole life to feel a sense of purpose and to know his destiny, but I still can’t shake off the feeling that it shouldn’t have been completely enclosed in the realms. I sound mad, but… Even though Kartik “has found a sense of destiny in his act” as Libba puts it, I’m not sure how he could have been so completely sure. Maybe it was faith, but the Tree and the Winterlands… it was all something he couldn’t be certain of.

And more Kartik. I’m sorry, but I need to say a lot about him. The fact that the ending of TSFT was so devastating to me says a lot, particularly in concern to him. I know that the trilogy is about Gemma, and that it’s about women, but Kartik does play a strong part in this. I’m not this sad because he’s a man and because “every woman needs a man”. It was never the idea of Kartik that made him so compelling, and in turn, his love for Gemma. I was never drawn to the idea of Kartik, not like we were drawn to the idea of Simon through most of Rebel Angels as this charming, handsome man. Kartik’s presence was more complex and important. And that’s why I feel so saddened by his death, and the way in which he went. At the end of the novel, Gemma has lost so much. Most of the people she cares about or loves are dead or gone. She’s strong enough to go on herself, but I felt that taking Kartik was something that need not have happened (this kind of comes back to it not being necessary in that way things are necessary in novels). It felt like the final straw; maybe too much, maybe not. But I can’t help thinking that things could still have worked out if Kartik hadn’t died. The story would have a completely different tone then, and it might not always be for the better, I can’t be sure, but there was always that possibility. However, TSFT was a tragedy, and that certainly shone through. I wish it didn’t have to, though…

That final scene in Gemma’s dream is confusing in many ways. When Kartik offered himself as a sacrifice to the Tree of All Souls, and Eugenia was no more, what happened? The tree no longer required sacrifices because Eugenia was the one who had demanded it, to increase her power? And Kartik… doesn’t want this, so the magic is contained/safe? Is he a part of the realms now, or beyond it? He’s trapped inside the tree, yet he appears to Gemma in her dream. Again, this scene made me cry all over again (and as I write this, the tears threaten again, dammit). He tells Gemma “I’m here. Trust me.” and it’s heartbreaking, yes, but how is he there? Why? Will she see him again, and only in her dreams? They’re standing on either side of a river and he can’t talk. Kartik’s love for Gemma was so strong that he offered himself to the Tree for eternity, knowing they’d never meet again. I think I am beginning to understand why he chose that course, yet the story need not have swung in that direction or gone to a point where he was given that chance/choice at all.

I can’t help thinking that if Gemma continues to see Kartik in her dreams and he tells her “I’m here”, that she won’t move on from him. If Gemma doesn’t move on, then his sacrifice will have been in vain. Well, that last part is what Libba says. And yet, that is the quandary. How can she move on, perhaps marry another person in the future, when Kartik is in her dreams. To be constantly reminded of their love… it’s begs longing and remembrance, not acceptance and a desire to move forth. In America, away from all her friends and family and people she cares about, Gemma will start a new life. It will be fulfilling in many ways, but she will also be alone, which was her greatest fear… This reminds me of His Dark Materials, and Will & Lyra. They sacrifice their love for “the greater good”, and they will never see each other again, but that is almost better, because when they cannot see each other and constantly be reminded of each other, it is easier to move on. The tone of The Amber Spyglass was different the TSFT. In The Amber Spyglass, their separation is woven into the story from the beginning. You don’t question it, you don’t wonder, because it is the way of the world. With TSFT, there is a seed of doubt in your mind, because we never quite knew that Kartik would sacrifice himself in the realms… I cannot explain it as I’d like to, but think about the differences between Will & Lyra and Gemma & Kartik. Both end sadly, but there is always that different feeling to each.

Okay, I will stop talking about the situation with Kartik. It’s just that I know I will always feel sad about this, no matter how long passes after I’ve read the book. Or maybe I won't. At the moment, I just don’t know.

On the rest of the book, I do feel there were ways it could have been cut down by limiting the descriptions of visits to Pippa, and her growing power, or hunger for it. We grew to understand this in Rebel Angels, and… maybe the point was brought home a little too much in TSFT?

I didn’t particularly suspect that Felicity was gay throughout the books, but that does answer the question of why she held onto Pippa for so long. I do like that Felicity, Ann and Gemma all go on to do what they want. They have free will, and society can’t restrain them. It’s a wonderful message, but after all they’ve been through, it almost feels as if they are too far away from each other.

So, what else can I say that we don’t already know ourselves? Excellent characterisation. It’s brilliant work. The characters are all so very real and imperfect and I’m going to miss them so much. The mood of the story is so haunting and wonderful. I will admit that I like the setting of London more than Spence, but that’s completely a personal preference. Good thing Tom came around in the end. And I didn’t expect Gemma to go to America… I thought, or hoped, maybe, that she’s go back to India… But the story wanted to focus on her desire for freedom, and so she pushed the boundaries for women and did something for herself. I know I won’t be able to forget these books. At the moment, it feels like I will always remember them, but I know that perhaps they’ll fade from memory with time. I sincerely hope not. Despite everything I have said in this post, this book is excellent. It is marvellous. Epic. Everything wonderful.

I guess for now my greatest hope is that I could just stop crying. Oh, and I just remembered this, so I should add it in. Romance in the Victoria era (or as told by Libba, rather) is most exciting. She’s very good at this. Kissing a wrist is somehow capable of making you more breathless than a kiss in a novel set in this day and time. Before Kartik… goes, I was practically giddy from the excitement of him and Gemma being together. It's shame it couldn't last.

Libba herself best sums up the trilogy:
"I hope that within these roughly 2,000 pages is a tale about women searching for their place in the world, coming to terms with themselves, fighting for change, accepting their power, dealing with issues of friendship, family, responsibility, sexuality, and identity, struggling with fears and doubts, hope and longing, oppression and desire. I hope."

She's exactly right. That is what makes the books so wonderful and unforgettable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was extremely sad... I cried too, if not as much as you sound like you did. I was never hugely attatched to Kartik. I actually think that the ending was 'right', though. It worked for me, for some reason.

I had... suspitions, about Felicity, throughout the book. So the Pippa thing didn't really change her at all for me. She was such a cool character, and very... interesting. Like... there was alot going on with her, you know? And she was definately a realistic person, too.
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Obviously, I got books for Christmas, so I'm on a reading binge. The first devoured from the stack that I'm recommending is Before, After, and Somebody In Between by Jeannine Garsee. It's a brutally honest look on a young girl's life as she deals with all the addiction and violence around her and tries not to get sucked in herself. Yes, it gets depressing -- sometimes enough to make you cry -- but Martha's narrative has an appropriate level of humor that keeps it from being too much so to read. It's one of those books you speed through because not only is it really good, but you desperately want to main character to have a happy ending.
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Last night I started reading 'Life as We Knew It' by Susan Pfeffer. I think that maybe someone has mentioned her new book 'The Hunger Games' on SA, but I don't remember anyway.

Alright, so, last night I ploughed my way through half of the book and read into the early hours of the morning. The thing with this book is, it's kind of an end-of-the-world novel, but it's more about survival after an asteroid hits the moon and knocks it off its orbit, creating all kinds of crazy problems for humans with tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes, extreme weather and the like. It's written in diary form, but this is not cliched. It completely WORKS in this novel. The writing is incredibly compelling, and not in a my-favourite-book-ever way, but in more of an I-can't-put-this-down-oh-my-god!!!!! way. I don't know what else to write because it would sound silly if I couldn't convey how well the plot has been handled. The book mainly focuses on a few things, being food, water and heat. They seem so insignificant but you realise just how important they are as you read the novel.

The book is perfect to read when you know you can put a good solid hours into FINISHING the novel. It's kind of a gloomy day novel because it kind of messes with your mind. Like... I know this will sound weird, but believe me, it'll probably happen to you if you read the book yourself... the book makes me want to run out and stock up on canned foods and raid a supermarket in an OH-MY-GOD-I-NEED-FOOD-FOR-A-YEAR frenzy. It also makes me want to get a fireplace or a wood stove. And to move inland from Sydney because Sydney move totally be washed out by tsunamis and its skies would be choked by ash from all the volcano eruptions in New Zealand. It's just... completely compelling. Reading about how the main character's family slowly starves to death is so engrossing. It's serious can't-put-this-down stuff.

Actually, a really funny thing happened to me last night after I put the book down to sleep. I kind of lay in bed and the only thing that went through my mind was, "What kind of food do I need to stock up on? What are our plans for getting through the winter?" And then I realised what I was thinking and went "wtf?" and just slept. Then today, every single time I went to drink water or I was about to eat food, somewhere in the back of my mind was this thought that "Why are you eating this? We need reserves. Don't waste food." as though I was living in a weird apocalyptic world myself.

But the best part was when I saw cherries in the fridge and immediately my mind went to, "Cherries? CHERRIES? Where did we get those from?" And I had this urge to treat them like gold, just as even the slightest bit of chocolate is in the novel. Hilarious. I'm glad I finished the novel because now my craziness will hopefully wear off, but not before end-of-the-world dreams, I suspect.

Okay, to the point you knew I was going to get to: READ THE BOOK. I need to know that I'm not the only one it had this weird effect on. I swear I won't be, though. The book is just like that. You become way too involved in it. READ IT. Fin. (oh, btw, there's a totally hilarious "president" in the novel who goes on vacation in Texas while the rest of the world is dying and half the East Coast of the US has been submerged, millions dead, etc. Sound familiar? hahaha)
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Now I'm kind of afraid to read that book, since I already have thoughts like that naturally, haha. (Except, it's more along the lines of, "Dang, I'm going to be one of the first to die when the apocalypse comes 'cause I won't have insulin! Must. Buy. Insulin!") I never realized that book was about end-of-the-worldness. That president tidbit, though, sells the book for me, heh. I'll try to check it out once I finish plowing through my insanely tall to-read pile.
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When a book hijacks your brain then that gives the book even MORE kudos
Its the same way when I get done reading a chapter from World War Z
I will be driving and when I see a water tower I will think "That would be pretty awesome to fortify for a zombie attack"
And at work we discuss zombie attacks ALL the time
We have planned to go to the rafters (there is a solid area over dairy so we would be fine)
And if we ever needed food then we would send someone crawling over the tiny part of the rafters to go grab something (with a nifty hook of course)
This is assuming that we couldn't block all the doors to the storage room and just hide there
We have food and bathroom and lots of space and large machines back there
It would be perfect, lol
But yea, thanks World War Z for making me feel a lot safer from zombies at work
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Gosh I loved that book. World War Z was amazing. My staff in the dorm that I work in totally spent like 6 hours figuring out how we would deal with a zombie attack. We actually started writing it down. I called shotgun on the paper cutter arm as my weapon of choice. I think about that all the time...it just seems like something that could legitimately happen. You know, I'll never have to fight off a vampire, but a medically created zombie that wants my brains? maybe. just maybe.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in high school, we had these demountable buildings that were perfect and out of the way from the rest of the school. They only had the insignificant classes there (PD, basically) and I always used to think about how perfect they were for hiding from any sort of human attack. You could hide in the adjoined storeroom and cram yourself into a shelf where you wouldn't be seen. And if you needed to, you could get out of the building and make a hidden escape out of the school by a back exit into the suburbs.

I don't know why this ever occurred to me or why I thought there'd be any need to ever do this, but it was interesting to plot out the possibilities.

btw, I am so reading World War Z. haha.
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Hahahahha my friends and I spend years coming up with solutions to get out of zombie attacks. We play this game where you have to pick:
- what time of day it is
- weapon of choice
- song that will be playing during the epic 5-minute battle before you're turned (heh)
- place
- one other person, alive or dead.

Oh shit, I've forgotten my awesome one... But one day when my boyfriend asked me last year I was so put on the spot so I came up with:
- sunrise
- err... shit.. possibly two freaking awesome swords?
- Karma Chameleon (hahaha thats what popped into my head first, but its freaking hilarious if you think about it.)
- on top of an awesome hill with a windmill on it (i dunno, i just felt the windmill was needed)
- River. (fuck. yeah.)

So go kiddies, CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY!


... I have a giant urge to play Mortal Kombat now. Heh.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

River is a good person to have on your side
Especially after she served those Reavers (essentially zombies themselves) in the end of Serenity
Bad. Ass. ^0^
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of zombies...

http://www.chroniclebooks.com/index/main,book-info/store,books/products_id,7847/title,Pride-and-Prejudice-and-Zombies/

Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.

Possibly the best thing ever.
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DEFINITELY!!! I'm excited for that, haha
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Jodi Picoult's best book is 19 Minutes. Unlike My Sister's Keeper, the book is written in third person, so that you're not stuck feeling that all the characters share similar traits and personalities, through a purple-prosed voice ("her blood fell like poppies against the sheets", "the bus cut the world in half").

And the characters in this novel are incredible. In My Sister's Keeper, Kate was the heart of the story. Anna was nice, but a little unrealistic for a thirteen year old. Campbell was an incredibly selfish lawyer, who wasn't all that good and ended up killing his client (who the hell would drive after having a seizure, let alone taking a passenger with them?). Brian was the irresponsible fire-fighting father who lets his son get away with burning down someone's house, a school and countless other pieces of property. Jesse thought burning down a school would be a good idea because when he was little, his parents didn't go out of their way to buy him new shoes while his sister was dying.

Sorry. Anyway, the characters in 19 Minutes are pretty awesome. The book revolves around a high-school shooting, and Jodi takes quite a lot of time to break down the shooting into small events in the shooter's life that may have triggered the final attack. Peter Houghton is believable and heartbreaking (really, he is) as the shooter--Jodi goes into a lot of detail when she describes his life, as well as for as her other main character - Josie Cormier - Peter's ex-best friend.

Bad summary, but really this book is amazing. In a way, it's epic (especially the court case at the end). Oh, and Peter's mother Lacy Houghton is an INCREDIBLE character: definitely one of my favourite characters ever. Definitely Jodi's best book.
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You've got 19 Minutes spot on, Izzy. I really liked it better than its predecessor The Tenth Circle and the novel that followed it, Change of Heart. It's probably Picoult's strongest novel since MSK. I don't agree entirely with your opinions on MSK (I thought you liked the characters) because you need those facts to be put into the context of the novel to see how it really worked, but to each their own. 19 Minutes was an excellent novel, although I personally didn't prefer it to MSK.
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Yeah, I LOVED 19 Minutes. I actually read it in Thailand, and now I'm a bit scared about reading it again, in case I don't have the same spectacular experience reading it the second time, as I did the first.

As for My Sister's Keeper, by the end of the book, I did like all the characters, probably except for the lawyer (driving a car with a passenger after having a seizure was an insane thing to do) because they had to deal with Anna's death at the end. The epilogue--through Kate's voice--was the best written piece of the story, IMO. Whilst reading the book, the characters annoyed me here and there, except for Sara (who I know a lot of people hate) who I admired a lot.

Writing-wise though, I think 19 Minutes is a lot better. It doesn't have all the little kooky fortune teller one-liners that MSK had. Also, the characters aren't constantly vomiting out one-liners like they did in MSK. IMO, it's Jodi at her best. I hope she writes another novel like this.
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Oh, thank god someone gets the thing about the vague one-liners! I love one-liners when they're funny and done well (So Yesterday is probably the best YA novel for those, not to mention countless movies and TV shows) but Jodi Picoult also has these strange profound-yet-not-really-profound lines that usually end a chapter. I think MSK has lots of funny one-liners, but that it also had a lot of those vague ones.
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I finished reading The Memory Keeper’s Daughter. It had me up all night, because I just couldn’t put it down. It really is compulsively readable.

I still recommend the book. The first 100 or so pages are brilliant, and they suck you in, but it does lose *something* as you go on, though it still remains good reading. I think it’s the direction the story goes in and plot details that let the book down towards the later-middle and end of the story.

Kim Edwards’ style is a lot like Jodi Picoult’s. The book is reminiscent of My Sister’s Keeper or slightly more adult books that Jodi writes. But even then, it’s quite different. The Memory Keeper’s Daughter is slow, and it encompasses a lot more than Jodi usually does, in terms of time and events. There aren’t any of those vague, yet somehow profound statements that you see so very often in Jodi’s books. You know the ones—the dialogue that nobody in real life ever says, which punctuates chapters of her novels: “I don’t know,” she said softly, shaking her head. “Sometimes I just don’t know.”
It’s not there in this book, and when it is, it fits seamlessly into the story, as simply a line on the page, not the ending to a chapter. This realness is nice, because it feels less like the author is saying something deliberately vague but thoughtful so you can be awed by it.

You’d probably find yourself “siding” with a character, so to speak. This is a book that explores grey areas, and at times, I found myself frustrated by the eventuality that was certain: someone was going to get hurt. But this just made me respect the book so much more, because that’s EXACTLY what life is like; you make a devastating decision, and the consequences are never nice.

I think you’ll end up really caring for the characters, or rather, “your” character—the one you’ve either forgiven or who you sympathise with (if you read the book, you’ll know what I mean about this). Everyone is so human that you become emotionally involved in the story, whether you admit it or not. You feel their losses; you want the story to go a different way.

I cried when reading this novel—in several places, actually. And I’m absolutely convinced that if anyone else reads it, they won’t cry at the same things I did, if they cry at all (which you probably will). That’s what makes this book special in a way… the parts that hit you hardest, emotionally, will be that parts that you have experienced yourself, or which you have a strong empathy for. It’s your individual experiences that make the way you respond to this story.

Overall, you probably won’t remember this book making a profound impact on your life at all, and you won’t think it’s one of the best books ever, but it’s so brutally honest, and because of this, so very confronting, that you’ll be completely engrossed until the last page.


I agree. VERY well-written, but I agree completely about the first 100 pages being brilliant; they're so delicately written, and really draw you in. The rest of the book is just good and the ending felt like a real let-down after pages and pages of constant dramas, and the author does a great job of keeping the drama on-going, with very human characters, her two most conflicted being David and Caroline who are both very unlikeable, yet very relatable. Rosemary is sort of a page-stealer (you know how they call them "scene-stealers" in film?) throughout her portion of the book, she hijacked almost every scene, for me anyway. Good (and highly succesful; it's one of Australia's most popular books) book, disappointing ending.
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