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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Eclipse After the read... SPOLERS Reply with quote

SPOILER WARNING!!

Please only post about the things that happen in Eclipse in here... we don't want to ruin it for the poor folk who don't have it yet or don't read as fast as some.. ok

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, so I'm rather in the middle about the whole Jacob/Edward thing and tilt slightly towards Jacob...

but DAMN when Edward and Bella are on the bed...and what he whispers when she's falling asleep...aw.

and Jacob is SIX FOOT SEVEN!?!? holy hell. I didn't think he was that tall. Bella is like, up to his belly button!

...and now that I'm farther...she almost ruined Jacob for me.

okay so this is edit number three, now that I'm finished, and I'm crying. and all I've got is:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am to page 310
Chapter 14
Declaration

Its odd cause the first paragraph with Jacob made me squee my little fangirl heart out:

"His familiar husky voice sent a wave of wistfulness through me. A thousand memories spun in my head, tangling together - a rocky beach strewn with driftwood trees, a garage made of plastic sheds, warm sodas in a paper bag, a tiny room with one too-shabby small loveseat. The laughter in his deep-set black eyes, the feverish heat of his big hand around mine, the flash of his white teeth against his dark skin, his face stretching into the wide smile that had always been like a key to the secret door where only kindred spirits could enter."

*swoon*


Anyway: Like I said - halfway through
and I HATE the Bella/Edwardness right now
I mean...she has her whole life ahead of her!
And she is being selfish and picking eternity with a vampire!
Its infuriating

which is why I side with Jacob and forgive him any outbursts
well at least that one he had already
the one where he said he would rather her be dead
i mean, it was harsh
but sweet cause think about it: he would rather remember her the way she is now instead of seeing her changed completely into someone else

ps. that whole imprinting think the werewolves do - yeah, its HOT to me @.@
*is a woman possessed*
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob is pretty much ridiculously sexy in this book. although...i think chapter 14 is the one that for a second there i was like...uh...Jacob, NO. but he is just so...selfless in this.

just wait til the end Meg. just wait.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*cringes* am i gonna cry?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will kill Stephenie if he die though
Jacob dying?
unacceptable!

My guess is that he has to watch as she is turned into a vampire and they are bitter enemies
that would KILL me as well
only because Stephenie can make me wibble just by having Jacob in pain
no joke
I will have to read New Moon over again just to be happy >.<
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesn't die.
and it's way more complicated than that... Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would think so
i mean the book is as thick as...something REALLY thick @.@
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as Jacob's bicep? haha!

actually...that's probably thicker Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its as thick as Jacob is tall
*nodnod* i would need a ladder just to kiss him
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no you wouldn't, he'd lift you up with his big warm arms...*drool*
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*goes to happy place to imagine this* ^-^
mmmmmmmm
Jacob = soooo yummy!
im glad we can share
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, there's definitely enough of him to go around Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As most of you were saying, I thought Eclipse made it impossible to chose between Jacob and Edward.
I am a die hard Edward Cullen lover, so normally I would have picked Edward in a second....but after finishing Eclipse I can't decide.

I found Jacob sexy in many parts of the book, and cried when he got hurt and when he found out Bella and Edward were getting married.
but then again....Edward, and the bed...shall I say more?? *daydreams*

AHHHHH I am going to go crazy trying to make a decision.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oooh Edward and the bed. I loved that part.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me too.
i thought the part when edward and bella were writing notes was funny.
and when jacob licked bella in the clearing...i loved that part. it was so funny, it just seemed so...jacob to me

but the ending with jacob, that was so sad. i cried.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear I went LOOKING for spoilers because the wait is KILLING me. And Oh my God, even THINKING about the end is making me hurt. No. No. No. Nonononononononono.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as a suggestion, we should only refer to the end as "the end" so that Ammy has to try harder to figure out what that means. Because it sucks. I cried and felt really pissed off for awhile.

other parts I love...
when Jacob breaks Bella out of kidnapping...he's just like "run!" and it would take Alice awhile to figure out what had happened.
The note Edward left on Bella's pillow...so sweet

See, in the Edward v. Jacob debate, all Eclipse did for me was affirm that Edward and Bella are meant for each other, and that I want Jacob! I still think Edward is dreamy and romantic and all that, but I would take fire over ice, any day.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please don't write about the end *is trying to resist but can't* i want to read it but i get a feeling it might be another month before i get Eclipse!!!
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So I'm reading Eclipse now and I am SO SO angry about what happened to Rosalie. And sad. dhsjfhsbjhcbnbdsjahwqhwihqos

You might know that I feel very strongly about these things. I'm not afraid to call myself a feminist, and I'm so glad we got to hear Rosalie's story. I always had faith in her, despite her apparent hatred towards Bella.

AND I SERIOUSLY KEEP "SQUEEING" OUT LOUD AT EVERY EDWARD OR JACOB MOMENT. AHHHHHHHH

*goes back to Eclipse*


EDIT: Yeah, so I'm up to Chapter 16. WTF, JACOB? Hehe. I don't mind that he kissed Bella, really, because he was so ridiculously funny and hot the whole time afterwards. Bella and Edward were hilarious too. hehe. *is having a massive fangirl attack*

The whole Emmett as a carjack thing was so cute. His good humour is so infectious that it seriously leaps off the pages. Ah, I love Stephenie Meyer for her amazing characters. SQUEEEE!!!!


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I saw Emmett grin at Mike over the food table, the red lights gleaming off his teeth, and watched Mike take an automatic step back.


And I saw slash writers all over the world scream happily and reach for their pens to jot that quote down. xD
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dood, i just got past the chapter "Monster"
i will start chapter 25 when i get back home from my driving test
but DOOD!
all that crap with the fire and ice and you guys who have read it know what im talking about....AHHHHHHHHHH
the fangirl in me is shrilling with pleasure right now!
my friend Jenny has already finished it
and she too says the ending is sad
it better be a satisfying end at least
or i will cry
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if for some CRAZY UNBELIEVEABLE reason SM doesn't write another book, the ending will be hideously disappointing and angry-making.

However, we are all relatively sure that she is going to write another one, and is working on it, I think the pain of the ending is survivable, because there is hope that everything will be okay.

I looooove the fire and ice part.
It's so hard not to squee at both of them in this book. I mean, they really are two ends of the boy spectrum, where you would want either one. Stupid lucky Bella.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i JUST finally finished it
and we get to get a little Jacob treat in the epilogue ^.^
but yeah, it is sad like everyone says
the hardest part for me was reading Jacob talking about the eclipse and what i meant (now i get the title, lol)
I was totally tearing up at that part
you.you
i am still hoping that she doesnt go through with it all

the next book will be called Breaking Dawn or something
and i dont think SM can fill a whole book with marriage/vampire changing
so im HOPING Bella comes to her senses
if not then...this is the last book I will read cause I really dont want to read anything with a depressed Jacob
that last chapter was hard enough

so yeah
*ish done* ^-^
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think she will resolve Jacob's happiness.
I don't think Bella deserves him.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see i told you that you would all be depressed for the next year!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow after reading elclipse


i cant belive i am saying this,
but i no longer really like jake or bella!
gosh.

and personaly i wasnt to pleased with the book..... =/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hated Edward and Bella mush
and Edward is a tad overprotective
but no doubt the best parts were:

When she was describing her seeing Jacob again
When Bella instists on doing the deed with Edward XD lmao
When Edward and Jacob have that argument while Jacob holds Bella in the sleeping bag to keep her warm
The chapter next to the end when Jacob is all in bed healing (after the greatest kiss ever! all fiery and "Oh my God i just realized that i love you do *facepalm*" - but the talk about Eclipse and then the part where Jacob says he is the sun and Edward is the drug
its so true
and they would have totally ended up together if things were normal
its sad
and i will NOT read the next book if Bella is a vampire
i just...dont want that!
i hated that I read Pretties when Tally got switched to a pretty
it sucked!
so yeah
I know i said i wouldnt read New Moon and I ended up loving it
but this is no joke
if she is all vampy and the reviews suck
then the megan will not read it >.<
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see, I want Bella to be a vampire because until that happens, Jake won't move on. He deserves happiness too, and all Bella will do is make him miserable. Even if she does leave Edward for him, she will never be completely his, not after knowing and loving Edward.

I don't think I could NOT read it. I'm just not wired that way. I'd try to resist, but fail miserably, like I did with New Moon.
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I'd end up reading it. I don't really want a Bella-the-vamp novel... but if she DOES turn, I wouldn't want the series to just DROP OFF there. I guess I'd want to know what happened to Charlie, Jacob, Renée and everyone after she changed.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucky peopel who get to read it!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH MY GOD, I FINISHED IT!!!!!

I knew the ending beforehand. But... *sob* For some reason, the line about him not being the only one to "choose this form over the other" really affected me.

I still love Edward.
I love Jacob even more.
Edward and Bella belong together.
Jacob deserves more.

At one point in the story, though, the Jacob/Bella relationship became really... strange. It was very openly "I love you, Jacob" and that... bothered me. Of course I understand how she might have loved him, but it still felt a little strange.

I admit there were many times I just wanted to hit Bella. She wasn't very sensitive to Edward in this book. She should have been able to see how much the wedding bond meant to him after a while.

But whatever. EDWARD AND JACOB ROCKED! Except for the end. *tries not to think about that* What I DID like about the epilogue, though, was how easily Stephenie slipped into Jacob's mind. It was such a smooth transition and Jacob was exactly like I imagined him to be. *huggles*

I'm SO happy I've read Eclipse now. SQUEEE!!!!
Another thing: I actually didn't mind the Bella/Edward relationship advancements. What I've noticed about this is that people either loved it or hated it. A lot of people hated it, but I like it. They... have the right to become more intimate.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn straight they do! haha. one of my friends said it was like "girl porn"...I just think she's nuts...haha
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't help but be seriously annoyed at Bella at times during this book, though.

But Edward stealing a car part = priceless XDD
And the whole plane crash thing was so sweet. "We'd stumble around like the two luckiest survivors in history."

ALICE! This may sound strange, but in New Moon, I was more anxious for Alice to come back than Edward. It's strange, right? But... I felt this absence and I realised that is was Alice I missed. Of course, I missed Edward. BUT ALICE!

So, when Alice was in Eclipse with her whole "Don't you love me, bella?" thing, I was practically squeeing.

I just wish someone had told Bella to go to hell or something because she got really annoying about the whole, "Eww! Marriage!" thing. Edward was so nice about it and my heart broke because it obviously meant a lot to him, but Bella was completely ignoring that at times.

One more thing: Has anyone noticed that in Eclipse, Bella seemed to take Edward for granted? I mean, this never happened in Twilight, but it seemed that way in Eclipse.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it did seem that she took him for granted
but i think it might have been his mushiness wearing off on her and his body coming more into focus for her
i mean, she REALLY wanted to jump his bones ^.^
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She did take him for granted, and she also used his care for her to get what she wanted. At least she admitted she was selfish, and didn't try to defend her actions. This story was much more about Bella and Jacob, while partially alluding to the steadfastness of Bella and Edward. It was the "we can get through anything" part of the story.
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Bella agreed to marriage so that she and Edward COULD share a bed together for real. That... disappointed me. But, yeah, they did get through it and that was good.

I loved the end where Edward seemed to think that Bella was afraid of him. It just touched me in a way that I can't explain.

AND JACOB CAN WARM MY LIPS ANYDAY.
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I don't think that was the only reason she agreed to it. Bella stopped him from going farther in the meadow because she realized it was the only goodbye her human attachments would get. It will let her say goodbye the way that she needs to, without telling her parents and friends everything. She realized that it made sense, and that it would make Edward feel better.

I bet he looks hot in a tux. yum.
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Heck yeah he does. XD

I was glad that she GOT it in the end. It took her time, but, YAY!
Ohh, just remembered something else: "Emmett can get his clerical license off the Internet." I laughed really hard at that one.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post... but meh. I have big news.

I AM SUDDENLY A JACOB/BELLA SHIPPER. I think the essay did it. It's suddenly become clear that Jacob and Bella are better for each other. AAHHH! I'm freaking out so much because this is such a big change to make, and in the space of a few minutes.

AHHH! Read the essay Meg linked to and you will know what I'm talking about. Jacob offers Bella choices... and she doesn't like making choices after a lifetime of doing that for Renee. Edward gives her the easy route. Dude, he practically showers her with really easy love and... he makes all the decisions. AHHH!! HELP ME!

Eclipses blot out the sun BUT THEY PASS AND THE SUN COMES BACK EVENTUALLY. Holy fuck. Is Steph saying something here??? And in the essay, the person mentions that Jacob is similar to Heathcliff, but I've read Wuthering Heights (barely, though >.<) AND OMFG, JACOB IS HEATHCLIFF. It's not Edward. It's Jacob!!!! Edward is Edgar, and the similarities can be seen.

AHHHHHHHHH! Oh god, I'm running around the place screaming my lungs out. JACOB AND BELLA FTW. You shouldn't have to change everything about yourself to be with the person you love. Bella has to change everything for Edward, but with Jacob she'll stay herself with her own life.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. Jacob... come back. Despite being a Jacob fan, I still love Edward (but Edward fans seem to hate Jacob now), BUT BELLA AND JACOB, MAN!!!

I need help. I think I'm dying. After reading Eclipse, I woke up everyday with this pain inside me, and I haven't been able to read anything (not even Uglies) since Eclipse. AND NOW THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE MY LIFE FOREVER.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really hope that is the route she takes
it just makes sooo much sense!
and it would make the book epic!
instead of a cliche love story

*is totally with Ammy on this one*
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I was a little pissed when I read the part about Bella seeing herself having children and a LIFE with Jacob. But now I'm not, because it has to happen!!! LIke you said, it makes so much sense.

I've been having difficulty breathing for the past two days because I almost can't get my head around the fact that Jacob is perfect for Bella and... she's perfect for him, right? (BUt only because he loves her to death). It was such a dramatic swing in my mind. One moment I'm an Edward/Bella shipper and the next all I'm seeing is Jacob/Bella. And my head felt SO clear after that change (even though I was panicking). I know I'm sticking with Jacob/Bella forever.

Dude. As I was writing that last paragraph I just realised something. Jake mentions that Edward is a drug and Jacob is the air.
When I was shipping Bella/Edward, I THOUGHT I was breathing easily. BUt when I became J/B, MY HEAD FELT CLEAR AND FOR A FEW SECONDS I COULD BREATHE EASIER. Of course, then the panic came and I started going crazy. Hyperventilating, etc.

But when I became a J/B shipper, I was free of the "drug", right? And I felt better. I still feel better now than I did when I was all E/B. It's as though I got rid of the drug and chose the air.

OH. MY. GOD.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was honestly not a J/B shipper for a long time
all during New Moon and even most of Eclipse
but when the ONLY part in the whole series that I wibbled on was the part where Jacob says that he is the air and Edward is a drug - it just hit home for me and i knew they were better for one another

and the essay
my god how TRUE is it all!!!
*is with Ammy 100%*
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've finished and mo i am still an Edward lover through and through but i can sympathise with you caz i didn't really like what happened to Jacob much either!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i am all alone in my opinion.......after i finished eclipse, all i felt toward jacob was anger. edward was honest with bella, let her have her time with jacob, didn't even get mad when jacob kissed bella, even when she kissed him back. but jacob was manipulative. he acted like he was going to let himself die just so she'd ask him to kiss her!

you can all attack me if you want to, but i feel no love for jacob at all. perhaps a bit of pity, but even that still has anger mixed in.

oh, and just say bella did choose jacob. you know what would happen? jacob would imprint on someone else, and that would be that.

okay. that is all.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I no longer even like Jake

i think he was such an idiot in eclipse...

I mean really, Edward was always nice to him basically but Jacob was always soo....idk.

but yeah i dont like him at all anymore.
and i dont even like bella that much anymore...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone's saying Jacob fought dirty in Eclipse, but didn't Bella in New Moon?

Bella loved Edward, and he left her, right? She was heartbroken. And when she started hearing his voice, she did ANYTHING to hear it again. Basically, she fought dirty. She jumped off a cliff, rode motorcycles... whatever.

Jacob LOVES Bella, and when he could feel her leaving him, he was heartbroken. So Jake fought dirty. He tricked Bella into kissing him and everything.

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he acted like he was going to let himself die just so she'd ask him to kiss her

Actually, that's exactly what he would have done, just like Bella did with the cliffdiving. xD I'm not attacking you. Just expressing my viewpoint. Bella would have let herself die just so she'd hear Edward's voice.

So why was it permissible for Bella to do this in New Moon, but not for Jake in Eclipse? They were both desperate because they were losing someone they loved with all their heart.

Just my two cents. (: (btw, didn't it say in the book that not all werewolves imprint on others? in any case, Stephenie's favourite character is Jacob and if she made Bella and him get together, I really doubt she'd break that up by making Jacob imprint on someone else. That would completely nullify the entire series. haha)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think there was a lot of immaturity in Jacob in Eclipse. Edward is ridiculously mature sometimes...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh. Bella = immature for jumping off a cliff to hear Edward's voice.

HUmans are humans, I guess. Edward has had over a hundred years to "mature" (but now he sounds like a ripe banana or something. wtf? xD) and, like he says in the book, he doesn't want to lose Bella because of an immature move. Sooo sweet of him, though, considering vamps and werewolves hate each other. >.<
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't you see that i'm hiding in a corner??! Razz

seriously though. you can all try, but you'll never convince me to like jacob.

to tell the truth, i think i most look forward to reading about alice!!



anyway, it's interesting to hear all your arguments for jacob. i often even see where you're coming from. but there's something about him that just gets under my skin. sorry.


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