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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Anti-Twilight? Reply with quote

Is anyone else turning to the darkside?
I have already spoiled myself on purpose for BreakingDawn cause I just dont care anymore
And the more and more 'anti-twilight' comms that I go to on LJ the more I am turning over the dark side

My heart goes out to the characters (Jacob most of all)
And they are the only things that keep me interested
I need to know how things will turn out for them

But all in all I am really 'over' the whole fandom
I read it when I saw them in the bookstore and someone told me that it was good, even though to me the plot sounded horribly mundane and cliche
When I read Twilight I loved it, the writing seemed wonderful and the witty banter between them (and the epic ending *gush*)
That was all wonderful

Then in New Moon I will always love Jacob and the werewolf pack
But the whole Bella/Edward plot bored me to tears
Same with Eclipse

So here it is: I am over it :/
Jacob = love
Everything else = done with

Fin.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I agree. I mean, I'm not entirely anti-Twilight (JakeJakeJakeJakeJake) but I really am over the fandom. And I need to be, for the sake of my own sanity, really. I get so irritated by stupid gushing fans.

I mean, I FORGOT Breaking Dawn was coming out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just needed an end
And now that I know the end (thankyouspoilers!lol) I can check that off of my list

and you are right
gushing fans turned me off to the whole fandom
its like trying to sit in a bookstore and read a book but then a million people come to the same shelf and chatter about the book instead of reading it
its just..suffocating and crowded?
the fandom is too crowded, thats my defense, lmao
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that I am anti-twilight but i've come to a point that I just want it to be done.

Twilight has gotten so big that I just don't care anymore. I have been a fan since the beginning. I got the book in late 2005 and back then nobody knew about this book. Heck! before Eclipse came out it was still hard to find the books in stores and now it's going to be everywhere. Like the wal-mart that I am working at is going to be selling hard cover first editions... and well when walmart starts selling books you know that they have sold out. (or well that is my opinion)

It bothers me how many people are so obsessed about these books. Yeah sure I am obsessed to but I was obsessed years before the majority of these readers knew who Stephenie Meyer was.

I just can't wait for the final book to come out so eventually people will just shut the hell up. (Well that's not the only reason but its one of them)

Not Anti-Twilight but resenting it's new and annoying popularity.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, reading the first couple of chapters of Breaking Dawn incudes many *headdesks* for me
But then again, that is just me, so *shrug*
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like Twilight [and came to this thread to yell at you guys] but I kinda have to partly agree. About the whole popularity thing. I like whan stuff is just my thing, you know?


For example::

If I where to walk into homeroom and scream out "Edward could so kick yall's ass!" People woukld start agreeing/disagreeing with me.

Alternatively, if I where to yell out "You people are SO daylight," they'd just stare at me blankly.

One of the many things I love about Midnighters; it's not very well known.


But I still ♥♥♥ Twilight.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm bored of it.










At least Harry Potter had zombies.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

since when do the Cullens NOT qualify as zombies? hellooooo?

haha just kidding.


mmm...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh gosh, don't do the vampires as zombies debate. Hehe.
Way too many hours of my life have been spent listening to this argument between friends. Hahaha

But its true.. I am bored of Twilight. As a standalone, I think it could have been an awesome book. Well, deserving of its status, anyhoo. But because there are four (five counting Midnight Sun) plus the movie franchise part of it? I feel as though its too much and frankly, I'm bored.

Harry, on the other hand, shall never ever be boring ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes he can.

Camping, anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They made pretty barriers and swam in random pools!

... It was FUN, dammit!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The camping went on for one like chapter, the stupid romance has gone on for about twenty chapters at least. And it's always the same stage where Bella is this little kitten who can't protect herself and Edward is the knight-in-shining-armour.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh... I was talking about HP7.

Oops. hehe.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like HP, but I don't agree with you guys about Twilight. I actually really like the fact that there are lots of books. I juust like it more with each one.

EEEP!!! BREAKING DAWN TONIGHT!!!!!! [or tecnically tomorrow morning, but whatever...]


TWILIGHT!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah. I'm pretty sure what I'm gonna say belongs in this thread. So, I'm sitting at the table with my toast and a tea, quite ready to enjoy my breakfast whilst reading the paper. I open the Weekend mag that comes with the paper and lo and behold, there is an entire two pages dedicated to some shitty Stephenie Meyer article.

(After reading it I made myself more toast and tea and came on SA for a breakfast re-do.. hehe)

Great. Thanks, world. Just what I needed! Bah!

So, I read it. Haha I'm not hypocritical... much.

It was saying how Twilight has gone basically unnoticed in Australia up until now when the phenomenon has hit and I loved the fact they said that. Then it was all about the story and Meyer, and how it wasn't about sex but romance rah rah rah.

It was really boring. Anyway, so on the side of this article it has, like every other weekend, the top 10 selling fiction and non-fiction books in either Aus or Vic. Probably just for Victoria. Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse were all on there. I mean seriously.. Why are people buying all the books all of a sudden?! I know the fandom is rearing up but.. I didn't realise so many people are buying the books again! Its quite insane, if you ask me.

It also made me hate Twilight a little more. Which is really quite sad. I still remember when I first read Twilight and I found it so awesome! And then I found that most of you guys had read it / loved it as well. It was so super! Then New Moon! And that took FOREVER to come out here. I mean, months and months after it was meant to.. And how awesome it felt to finally have the book in my hands. And then.. dun DUN the fandom begun!

That, and I didn't really like Eclipse. It took me so long to read. That is, once again, when it was finally available here. And now, after reading this stupid article, I've found that there are like four or five Launch parties around the city! One has Twilight Trivia with prizes, another has a Team Edward and Team Jacob competing against each other for some Twilight related prize.. And just.. ugh.

*sigh*

Stupid popularity. It would be okay if the fans weren't so.. obsessive. I know Harry Potter fans can be (haha, okay.. are) obsessive but.. Not to this extent. With Twilight I think fans get so much more angrier and abusive when you say something they disagree with. Also, I think HP is more deserving of an insane fandom than Twilight.

Sorry Helyn-la if you don't agree, but this is just my opinion. I understand yours is different and I'm not trying to be mean to you or anything, okay? I agree that Twilight was (... okay, is) a good book. There has to be something to base all this fandom on, right? I just think its been given too much credit, taken too far and some of the fans piss me off.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammy, I was talking all the camping. The HP Camping went on for one chapter.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you might have been talking about the camping in Eclipse because you mentioned the love stuff afterwards. haha. But I understand what you were saying now.

Still, it just shows, doesn't it? The camping in HP7 and constantly switching locations was BORING.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it was, I guess. But the book overall is a lot better than what I've heard about Breaking Dawn.

Edward and sex just doesn't go together. Neither does Bella and sex. It just doesn't. JK Rowling was able to write The Deathly Hallows with adult themes and still create a good story. Emotionally, the Harry Potter characters are so much more deeper emotionally than the Twilight characters with their thin personalities and cheesy wits.

JK Rowling is also a MUCH better author. I know a lot of people consider Stephenie better, but the way Stephenie writes can get a bit repetitive and extremely boring. She uses the same descriptive words about, fifty times within one chapter. She constantly uses the word "would" and uh, it's just very bad.

Her vampires were good before they were turned into glitter-bugs.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Izzy_The_Goddess wrote:
Yeah, it was, I guess. But the book overall is a lot better than what I've heard about Breaking Dawn.


For a really long time, I thought HP7 was a bad book, but Breaking Dawn just makes it look like the best book ever.

Stephenie's characters were so developed. They were the storngest aspect of her novels! With Breaking Dawn, she's essentially said, "Hi, yeah, the last three books were a lie. Whoo!" Edward having sex with a human Bella. Bella keeping a killer baby because its "magical". EVERY. DAMN. THING. ABOUT. BREAKING. DAWN. She ruins the characters.


I just think I need to officially revise my position on the Twilight series. I said before that I don't HATE it, necessarily, but now...

I HATE IT.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember in an interview I read, Stephenie went all author-y and said, "yeah, not everyone will like the ending." Hell, yeah. Everyone HATES the ending. Take that Steph!

Nothing against Stephenie, but she really did ruin a series. This book will be - and already is - a laugh.
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I don't know why anyone let her run with the idea... What did they think would happen? People would love the book?! Worship the shit ending?!

I can't get my head around what's happened in the last few years. Twilight came out, I loved it. Then New Moon and Eclipse... And Breaking Dawn. It seems so weird that everything could change in such a short period of time, and with ONE book. I'm so disappointed. I had higher hopes for this series, and while I didn't expect the ending to be magnificent, it should have been better than this. It's as though every page of her 750 page novel went wrong.

Ho hum, it's like HP7 on a greater scale.
I just said "ho hum". I predict the hysteric laughter at where the series ended will be coming soon after.
Then one day I will join in the mockery of Breaking Dawn. haha.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, her editors must be surprised Twilight was so succesful in the first place. Maybe they aren't sure what people want in the last book and think that some creepy "sex romp on an island fantasy" tale would pass.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think either JK or Stephenie are particularly great writers, but at this point JK created a much better and thorough world, and at this point a much more logical and functional story.

totally agree with Izzy that Bella/Edward/sex just...doesn't go together. it just doesn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JK followed the rules of her world.

Remember Stephenie's? Vampires CANNOT reproduce sexually. When male humans are turned into vampires, their body is frozen, and it includes their sperm. You can't just turn around and say, "Oh hey, surprise! Some vampires can have kids!"

I said before that Bella had 100 year old sperm inside her, but really, she shouldn't have been able to be impregnated. Sperm cannot live that long.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JK's world is far more involved, and her keeping up with all of the twists and turns and connections with characters makes her deserve her spot as one of the best YA authors (maybe THE best since she did seven f*ing books)
And for SMeyer to turn around and contridict herself...
that gives her no props in my mind at all
I am tempted to return my book to the store just so she doesnt get any money / sales off of it
But the whole Jacob part makes me want to keep it
Seeing things from his POV are the only REAL part of the novel for me
He is the character that makes the most sense (even though he is the most tragic in his heartbreak and stuff)
And all the stuff about the pack is wonderful while the stuff with the Cullens is stale and cold and dramatic

But yeah, I am waiting for her to turn around with a replacement novel
Or maybe she will help write a Breaking Dawn movie that is completely different
That may redeem the series
Maybe
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand why Stephenie writes mammoth novels when there's hardly any plot. At least J.K. Rowling had a ton to get through in one book, and she executed it with pretty tight writing. Stephenie... doesn't need 750 pages for Breaking Dawn.

The Jacob POV was the only part of the book that felt real and believable. I'm glad that Stephenie wrote Twilight and New Moon, because then we had this amazing character who was clearly the best of the series. teehee. That's me creeping through.
But seriously... it's sad that only one character can redeem the novel.

Today, I have heard at least 6 different people on separate occasions say they "can't wait till they read Breaking Dawn". I felt this twisted sort of happiness because just WAIT when they find out what happens. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Actually, one girl was like, "Oh my gooood, I just want Jacob to imprint on me. And Bella can have Edward." (These are the crop of Jacob-lovers who only love Jacob because they makes to "break away" and be unique. Appear mildly intelligent.)
I can't wait till she sees who Jacob DOES imprint on. hahahaha. Even though I'll probably never see her again. Although, at the time, I did want to turn around and be all, "Oh, you're a Twilight fan TOO? *gushes* Did you hear about how Jacob imprints on Bella's baby? *smiles*"
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The words "mesmerizing", "crying", "snickered", "auburn" and "golden" take up about 200 pages in a SM novel.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Ammy. I would net-love you to the power of infinity if you did that to someone. Seeing as I'm a 40 year old pedo, that means a lot.

... Or not.


Anyway. I think some fans will like this. Because its Stephenie Meyer. And its Breaking Dawn. And she just tried something "different" and people just don't "get" it.

Thats what I imagine will happen, anyway. Some of those tween hysterical fangirls are quite attached and obsessive to Meyer.
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haha, Izzy, so true. There's constant descriptions of Nessie's eyes and hair in Breaking Dawn. And her hair is "bronze". Her eyes are "chocolate brown". It gets repeated many, many times.

Lil, I'm resigned to the fact that some fans WILL like it, but I figure Stephenie ought to have at least a few good reviews.

Oh gosh.
The reviews. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I cannot wait until they come out. It's pretty much going to be reviewed by every major newspaper/reviewer.
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The bronze hair and brown eyes gets repeated? Hmmm.. Hair from the father, eyes from the mother.. If only the Volturri had killed Edward and Bella before Renesme (freakily fast) grew up!

Then she could have been the TNMB who Lived! Just like Harry.

Imagine a TNMB + Harry baby?

... Hahahaha... Wow. And seeing as horribly named children is a pattern in both those families.. Just imagine what the result would be called. Edbelily Severoset Jaslice Escarmes Potullwan. Brilliant, don't ya think? And the benefit of made up stupid names? They're fitting for either sex! How.. dare I say, convenient?!

[ Just so I don't come back to this post and think 'what the fuck was I on when I invented THOSE names':
Edward+Bella+Lily = Edbelily
Severus+Rosalie+Emmett = Severoset
Jasper+Alice = Jaslice
Esme+Carlisle+James = Escarmes
Potter+Cullen+Swan =Potullwan ]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aren't Escarmes something French? haha

mmm...they would have terribly named children. Maybe it's all a mistake and TMNB was really meant to be with Harry, and Ginny and Jacob are actually meant for each other. Jacob was supposed to Imprint on Ginny! ahaha.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, somehow I know there is a fic like that out there XD
I would adore for Jacob to imprint on Luna or something
That would be awesome ^-^
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Oooohhh my... Jacob imprinting on Luna!! That would be just fawesome.
There probably is a Jacob/Ginny fanfic out there somewhere.


... I need to find it. Hehe
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wOOt i also agree with this.
I wasn't even going to read the books for the longest time
but then i gave in.
I really dont know why its THAT popular....
I loved twlight, and was excitted for new moon,
but then the stories went on, and i started to find
out that i thought bella was annoying the hell out of me.
She was always geeking out over every little thing.
like, ugh i dont know how to put any of this.
But i just started reading braking dawn for the hell of
it, i mean come on i already read the others, but i just got about
a forth through and now...... its just so sketch.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry Helyn-la if you don't agree, but this is just my opinion. I understand yours is different and I'm not trying to be mean to you or anything, okay? I agree that Twilight was (... okay, is) a good book. There has to be something to base all this fandom on, right? I just think its been given too much credit, taken too far and some of the fans piss me off.


Yeah... I guess no book really deserves the obsessive fandom of Twilight. Except perhaps Midnighters, but I don't want that to happen.
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